Comments on: Estates wages campaign against road project

By: doriangrey1

doriangrey1 — Sat, 18 May 2013 16:57:47 +0000

Your Road improvement project exists for one single solitary reason Joe. Don't lie about it. It exists to remove roadblocks that exist in the proposed Chuckwagon Residential Development project. Your project is all about increasing the number of houses being built, for which the infrastructure costs of that housing project will be forcefully put on the backs of tax payer's who do not even want those houses built in the first place.

By: SDCE Parent

SDCE Parent — Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:18:45 +0000

I am all for making San Vicente safer. However, I believe there can be a compromise. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing deal. The road can be made safer by placing those concrete dividers that they have on Scripps Poway Pkwy., as well as, at the bottom of the 67. By placing those between the lanes & guard rails on the outside, we can have a safer road, yet still preserve the beauty of the tree-lined portion of San Vicente.
Let's work together.

By: Geof

Geof — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:08:01 +0000

Well it is a well known fact that for every mile an hour increase in speed that injury goes up exponentially-so if in your words speeds and speeding will go up after these " improvements" this will in fact increase serious injury and what exactly will have been accomplished at so high a cost.

My observation is that the current road is posted 50 mph with speed restrictions on the curves as low as 35, and rarely do many slow down at all from 50. This creates the hazard which is increased when road conditions are not optimal. Would it not make sense and increase safety if that is the concern, and be more cost effective to simply lower the speed limit for the entire road to 40 mph? Maybe even 35?

As for enforcement-I'd sure like some where the road straightens once it goes into the estates. Since the road there is " enforceable" why is it not happening? …and yes there have been some extremely serious accidents here.

By: SDCE resident

SDCE resident — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:37:41 +0000

Now that made sense Mike, getting the best bang for your buck. However, the arguments in the letter we received only stated some facts (and some opinions). It did not show me a solution as to what the board would suggest to do i.e how to make it so I get the best bang for my buck, or how to do it right the first time.

By: SDCE resident

SDCE resident — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:27:19 +0000

Like on a freeway where only people going the speed limit pass people going slower use the fast lanes …. if you really think that is what people would be going to use those two lanes for you need to wake up. My question about those other trees however stays unanswered.

By: Joe Cahak

Joe Cahak — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:12:59 +0000

Geof your opinions are wrong. Yes speeds and speeding will go up, that is the nature of these things, but the road is currently unenforceable. With the road shoulders widened to full county road standard, we will be able to finally enforce speed on this road. In this case, opinions without facts are worthless. I was involved with road safety and DPW for 1 over 15 years. I took the time and investment to be educated on our roads, the road standard and safety issues. We pay daily now in increased insurance rates, lower property values and sales appeal, not to mention the loss of life and the people maimed for life on this road. Still not worth it? I don't think so. This is an issue for the whole community, not just SDCE. This was a shameless abuse of authority and leadership and against the real welfare of our community and it's citizens. These directors should and will be held accountable and responsible for this, should they succeed I assure you. They will never have my support or vote ever again.

By: Herve Auch-Roy

Herve Auch-Roy — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 19:48:32 +0000

Re-using an argument very often used these days: "Roads don't kill people. People kill people." Therefore, don't touch the road, but educate the drivers instead.
I drive out of the Estates three times per week, and 9 out of 10 drivers drive way faster than the posted 45MPH when crossing the Estate sign on San Vicente Road; I tried to follow some of them there, and my readings were up to 85MPH in some cases, both sedans and pick-up trucks.
No matter how straight and wide we would make this road, people who deliberately drive as fast as possible will always make this stretch dangerous to others, and the faster they'll drive, the more deadly it will be for all of us.
If you can't drive at the posted speed limit, and if you can't adapt your speed to the road conditions, it means that it's your vehicle which is controlling you, making you just another vehicle's accessory. It should be the other way around: while behind the wheel, you're the boss, you're the one with the foot on the pedal. Be responsible and learn how to use it.

By: SDCE Resident

SDCE Resident — Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:56:19 +0000

Here, Here!! The SDCEA mgmt does not represent the community it serves. How can they claim ignorance to the construction?? How can they not be glad that a road that has claimed the lives of several residents will finally be improved? This is our one chance to get this road fixed. Opponents should be run out of office. This board has got to go!!

By: Torry

Torry — Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:38:22 +0000

I am sorry to say Erich's comments above do not help my understanding. If what he says is true, it would imply that people only choose to speed on sharp corners that are banked improperly. Crashes occur at these locations for a reason, and it isn't because people only do irresponsible things on San Vicente. Speed is an issue relative to curves. Forcing people to go from 50MPH to 35MPH and then 50MPH and then back to 35MPH creates a dangerous situation. This dangerous situation gets even worse when people drive aggressively, impaired, distracted, when roads are wet, or if there is traffic congestion. Fixing the dangerous corners and widening reduces the risk. Wildcat Canyon south of the casino is a good example of this.

When will people finally be honest, give up these contrived arguments, and just admit they are afraid of change? I think it is because being an armchair traffic engineer is more fun than spending the day yelling at that pesky Dennis kid from next door. He is quite the menace.

By: Geof

Geof — Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:44:58 +0000

I have lived in the estates for a short time. My observation in that time has been that where San Vincente straightens out and continues to Ramona oaks that the speeds go up exponentially. I have clocked some going 65-70 on this 45 mph road and I would say the average to be 10-15 over the speed limit. There have also been 3 serious car accidents on this "safer" stretch of the road since I have lived here which I have found completely surprising considering it is multi lane and straight.I do believe straightening the road will only increase the speeds based on observation, and therefore safety will not increase. Add the extremely high cost per mile, destruction of some of the prettiest old trees in San Diego County that made me want to move here, the increased water bill we will all have to pay and this just does not make any sense to me.