Comments on: —Capitalism versus socialism— http://www.ramonasentinel.com/2012/07/26/%e2%80%94capitalism-versus-socialism%e2%80%94/ Ramona's Community Paper Since 1886 Sat, 18 May 2013 17:13:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.3 By: Woody Kirkman http://www.ramonasentinel.com/2012/07/26/%e2%80%94capitalism-versus-socialism%e2%80%94/#comment-394401 Woody Kirkman Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:23:23 +0000 http://www.ramonasentinel.com/?p=15964#comment-394401 Socialism works, just look at Greece, Spain, Ireland, California, Detroit, Chicago, et al.. It has worked extremely well at destroying morale, increasing those dependent on welfare, increasing crime, suicide and murder rates. (Chicago alone has a murder rate now of over 50 per month.) It has taken less than 50 years for socialism to bring the U.S. to the point of insolvency. Oh yes, socialism works extremely well. The problem is that eventually you run out of other people's money. (M. Thatcher) Rome is burning folks, put down your fiddles. Socialism works, just look at Greece, Spain, Ireland, California, Detroit, Chicago, et al.. It has worked extremely well at destroying morale, increasing those dependent on welfare, increasing crime, suicide and murder rates. (Chicago alone has a murder rate now of over 50 per month.) It has taken less than 50 years for socialism to bring the U.S. to the point of insolvency. Oh yes, socialism works extremely well. The problem is that eventually you run out of other people's money. (M. Thatcher) Rome is burning folks, put down your fiddles.

]]> By: JRW http://www.ramonasentinel.com/2012/07/26/%e2%80%94capitalism-versus-socialism%e2%80%94/#comment-379892 JRW Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:19:24 +0000 http://www.ramonasentinel.com/?p=15964#comment-379892 If you are going to use the animal kingdom as an example, why don't you mention that the animal kingdom operates under the policy of survival of the fittest? Not enough gophers and rabbits? No Cyotes or hawks or spotted owls. Oh and what about the massive load of folks that will not contribute in the co-op program? Going to "let em eat cake"? There in lies the rub. Too many freeloaders suckling at the teet of capitalism. And all the schools need to do is give every student a test in ENGLISH for reading and math to determine grade level....At that point age should be irrelevent. I bet scores improve almost over night. If you are going to use the animal kingdom as an example, why don't you mention that the animal kingdom operates under the policy of survival of the fittest? Not enough gophers and rabbits? No Cyotes or hawks or spotted owls. Oh and what about the massive load of folks that will not contribute in the co-op program? Going to "let em eat cake"? There in lies the rub. Too many freeloaders suckling at the teet of capitalism. And all the schools need to do is give every student a test in ENGLISH for reading and math to determine grade level….At that point age should be irrelevent. I bet scores improve almost over night.

]]> By: Keith Hansen http://www.ramonasentinel.com/2012/07/26/%e2%80%94capitalism-versus-socialism%e2%80%94/#comment-379279 Keith Hansen Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:41:57 +0000 http://www.ramonasentinel.com/?p=15964#comment-379279 Mr. Tapscott, you are right. The geniuses that have attacked you are proof that your premises are accurate. Don't back down. Keith Hansen Mr. Tapscott, you are right.
The geniuses that have attacked you are proof that your premises are accurate.
Don't back down.
Keith Hansen

]]> By: Tracy http://www.ramonasentinel.com/2012/07/26/%e2%80%94capitalism-versus-socialism%e2%80%94/#comment-375474 Tracy Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:24:00 +0000 http://www.ramonasentinel.com/?p=15964#comment-375474 The most ingenious product the U.S. has produced in ages is the "Made in China" label. You wouldn't know a non-capitalist "ism" from a hole in the ground. I know one place I won't be on Saturday - the Ramona Lame Stage. The most ingenious product the U.S. has produced in ages is the “Made in China” label. You wouldn’t know a non-capitalist “ism” from a hole in the ground. I know one place I won’t be on Saturday – the Ramona Lame Stage.

]]> By: Wingnut http://www.ramonasentinel.com/2012/07/26/%e2%80%94capitalism-versus-socialism%e2%80%94/#comment-375205 Wingnut Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:32:37 +0000 http://www.ramonasentinel.com/?p=15964#comment-375205 Hi Ghost! I tell ya... it sure is wonderful to get a positive reply for once. I get tarred and feathered pretty often... and I bet you've had your share of it as well. But our numbers are growing, aren't they? Needless to say, you've totally made my year... so... THANKS to YOU too, and all the very best! A Google search for 'abolish economies' to see many more of my wandering rants... as wanted... and if you've done some ground standing, feel free to point me to some urls... I'd love to read your words and ideas. You can also search for my full name and find my sparse webpage where you can get an email address, if wanted, too. Again, thanks for the kind words and wise ideals. Hi Ghost! I tell ya… it sure is wonderful to get a positive reply for once. I get tarred and feathered pretty often… and I bet you've had your share of it as well. But our numbers are growing, aren't they? Needless to say, you've totally made my year… so… THANKS to YOU too, and all the very best! A Google search for 'abolish economies' to see many more of my wandering rants… as wanted… and if you've done some ground standing, feel free to point me to some urls… I'd love to read your words and ideas. You can also search for my full name and find my sparse webpage where you can get an email address, if wanted, too. Again, thanks for the kind words and wise ideals.

]]> By: GHOST http://www.ramonasentinel.com/2012/07/26/%e2%80%94capitalism-versus-socialism%e2%80%94/#comment-374625 GHOST Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:47:29 +0000 http://www.ramonasentinel.com/?p=15964#comment-374625 I was going to post something.....as I too am a Socialist, but it's not necessary. Thanks Larry ! ! ! I was going to post something…..as I too am a Socialist, but it's not necessary. Thanks Larry ! ! !

]]> By: Wingnut http://www.ramonasentinel.com/2012/07/26/%e2%80%94capitalism-versus-socialism%e2%80%94/#comment-374190 Wingnut Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:03:47 +0000 http://www.ramonasentinel.com/?p=15964#comment-374190 Hi A Christian-ish socialism... doesn't DO competing... its a cooperating thing. So to place a PROPER socialism into a competing paradigm (your war thing) shows that you don't understand proper socialism. You can't even ask the right questions because you are programmed into a competer's frame of mind... by capitalism. Even your versions of 'succeed', 'fail', and 'leadership', are defined monetarily, and contain no horse logic, human happiness, love, and fairness facets. And I suspect that you have not noticed that not a single other creature on the entire planet... uses economies. Poverty... is caused by price tags blocking access to survival supplies, and price tags... are a capitalism/economy caused thing. In my opinion, its the use of economies (money, ownership, price tags) that causes all the problems. Not one other living creature on the entire planet... uses economies. Why do capitalists? Are economies really needed? Are systems that promote competing... wanted/needed? Think about competitive systems as racing, for a moment, if you will. There's the old stale adage... "It takes money to make money". Now apply it to racing/competing systems such as capitalism/car racing. It takes a big motor... to win races. It takes winning races... to afford big motors. In other words, in capitalism and car racing, the folks who are good at racing... will always win at racing. The folks who are not good at racing, will rarely win. Now what if... the race was to see who could be the most cooperative (opposite of competitive)? First off, cooperators HATE racing... and its against everything they stand for. I should know... I'm a proud cooperator... and I abhor racing. A big-dog cooperator is altruist. They/we always look out for the others' needs/wants FIRST, and always place themselves last. Cooperators want to make sure that everyone crosses the finish line at the same time... and often, before THEY do. That's fairness/love. Although cooperators never compete, IF they did, it would be a competition to see which could put forth more effort to help others cross the finish line ahead of them. In other words, cooperators might compete to see who could be the most cooperative. Love-competing. Altruism (and Christianity/other love-based religions). So, when the USA and many other parts of the world... have decided that a competing/racing system is the proper way, then guess what. The folks who are best at racing/competing, will consistently be way out front. And since the folks with all these monetary and property winnings... are stern competers... they are unlikely to give away "their" (ownership) earnings to late finishers and to folks who hate/refuse racing... because that's not the way of a stern competer. In pyramid systems such as capitalism and even in playground pyramids (both always collapse and hurt those on the bottom)... the strife is to get a leg UP, not a leg down. Competer folks tend not to seek the nobility and pride of being a strong bottom-layer foundation member of a pyramid. They instead tend to seek the "heads in the clouds" monetary powers and luxuries of climbing high. And when many are racing to climb high, the tops of pyramids get top heavy, and put enormous excess strain on the bottom layer foundation people. The weight of the world's knees is on/in their backs, and they get crushed, and the racing pyramid collapses, just like capitalism's pyramid is doing. Wise mothers everywhere know that the kids should NEVER be allowed to build pyramids of people... its exploitive upon the strong foundation layers. Yet childhood pyramids are seen all the time, including in cheerleading... and rarely does a parent stand up and say STOP IT RIGHT NOW like we all know should be done. Don’t get yourself welded to a certain type of socialism, especially to a socialism that uses an economy. Think beyond the programming. You surely see the Columbian Freemason pyramid scheme symbol on the back otf the USA dollar... and you see the USA gov located in a district of Columbia and not part of the USA proper. Capitalism/economies are a sham/con... one whose inventors are long-ago dead of old age, so don't bother with the lynch mob mentality that you competer's love so much. Its now time to get clean of the tradition/programming... before the pyramid collapses. Think Team Earth... everyone on the same team and taking care of one another... and leave the competing mentality behind. It has failed. Best regards! Larry "Wingnut" Wendlandt MaStars - Mothers Against Stuff That Ain't Right (anti-capitalism-ists) (anti-economy usage) Bessemer MI USA Hi
A Christian-ish socialism… doesn't DO competing… its a cooperating thing. So to place a PROPER socialism into a competing paradigm (your war thing) shows that you don't understand proper socialism. You can't even ask the right questions because you are programmed into a competer's frame of mind… by capitalism. Even your versions of 'succeed', 'fail', and 'leadership', are defined monetarily, and contain no horse logic, human happiness, love, and fairness facets. And I suspect that you have not noticed that not a single other creature on the entire planet… uses economies. Poverty… is caused by price tags blocking access to survival supplies, and price tags… are a capitalism/economy caused thing.

In my opinion, its the use of economies (money, ownership, price tags) that causes all the problems. Not one other living creature on the entire planet… uses economies. Why do capitalists? Are economies really needed? Are systems that promote competing… wanted/needed?

Think about competitive systems as racing, for a moment, if you will. There's the old stale adage… "It takes money to make money". Now apply it to racing/competing systems such as capitalism/car racing. It takes a big motor… to win races. It takes winning races… to afford big motors. In other words, in capitalism and car racing, the folks who are good at racing… will always win at racing. The folks who are not good at racing, will rarely win. Now what if… the race was to see who could be the most cooperative (opposite of competitive)? First off, cooperators HATE racing… and its against everything they stand for. I should know… I'm a proud cooperator… and I abhor racing. A big-dog cooperator is altruist. They/we always look out for the others' needs/wants FIRST, and always place themselves last. Cooperators want to make sure that everyone crosses the finish line at the same time… and often, before THEY do. That's fairness/love. Although cooperators never compete, IF they did, it would be a competition to see which could put forth more effort to help others cross the finish line ahead of them. In other words, cooperators might compete to see who could be the most cooperative. Love-competing. Altruism (and Christianity/other love-based religions).

So, when the USA and many other parts of the world… have decided that a competing/racing system is the proper way, then guess what. The folks who are best at racing/competing, will consistently be way out front. And since the folks with all these monetary and property winnings… are stern competers… they are unlikely to give away "their" (ownership) earnings to late finishers and to folks who hate/refuse racing… because that's not the way of a stern competer.

In pyramid systems such as capitalism and even in playground pyramids (both always collapse and hurt those on the bottom)… the strife is to get a leg UP, not a leg down. Competer folks tend not to seek the nobility and pride of being a strong bottom-layer foundation member of a pyramid. They instead tend to seek the "heads in the clouds" monetary powers and luxuries of climbing high. And when many are racing to climb high, the tops of pyramids get top heavy, and put enormous excess strain on the bottom layer foundation people. The weight of the world's knees is on/in their backs, and they get crushed, and the racing pyramid collapses, just like capitalism's pyramid is doing. Wise mothers everywhere know that the kids should NEVER be allowed to build pyramids of people… its exploitive upon the strong foundation layers. Yet childhood pyramids are seen all the time, including in cheerleading… and rarely does a parent stand up and say STOP IT RIGHT NOW like we all know should be done.

Don’t get yourself welded to a certain type of socialism, especially to a socialism that uses an economy. Think beyond the programming. You surely see the Columbian Freemason pyramid scheme symbol on the back otf the USA dollar… and you see the USA gov located in a district of Columbia and not part of the USA proper. Capitalism/economies are a sham/con… one whose inventors are long-ago dead of old age, so don't bother with the lynch mob mentality that you competer's love so much. Its now time to get clean of the tradition/programming… before the pyramid collapses. Think Team Earth… everyone on the same team and taking care of one another… and leave the competing mentality behind. It has failed.

Best regards!
Larry "Wingnut" Wendlandt
MaStars – Mothers Against Stuff That Ain't Right
(anti-capitalism-ists) (anti-economy usage)
Bessemer MI USA

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