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	<title>Comments on: Keystone XL Pipeline—Boon or Boondoggle?</title>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://www.ramonasentinel.com/2012/03/08/keystone-xl-pipeline%e2%80%94boon-or-boondoggle/#comment-267451</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual, we are fed what they want us to believe.   Anyone with half a brain could see that there was much more underlying the pipeline controversy.  Thanks for giving us the real scoop instead of the Republican side which, of course,  is supported by the big oil companies.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, we are fed what they want us to believe.   Anyone with half a brain could see that there was much more underlying the pipeline controversy.  Thanks for giving us the real scoop instead of the Republican side which, of course,  is supported by the big oil companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Bergen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Bergen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 00:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not Canada that wants to export oil to China, its Valero (and maybe the other oil companies who have contracted to take and refine the dilbit).  It&#039;s my understanding that the terminus of the pipeline would bring the dilbit to Port Arthur, to at least one refinery owned by Valero, and maybe one other owned by a company called Motiva.  These refineries are supposed to be configured to refine the middle distillates (diesel and jet fuel).

In my view, the question of where the refined product will go has been made moot by the Wyden amendment  (an amendment to a highway bill currently under consideration that would give the Congress the authority to permit the pipeline).  The Wyden amendment would have required the refined product from the XL pipeline to be sold only in the American market.  Harry Reed said the Dems would vote in favor of the pipeline if the Repubs would back the Wyden amendment.  The Wyden amendment was voted down yesterday by strong Repub opposition. 

I never said that shipping crude via tanker is safer than pipeline.  I didn&#039;t get into the spill and safety record of dilbit because of keeping the editorial short.  Dilbit is not like conventional crude.  It is tar dissolved in a toxic solution of condensed natural gas (containing a goodly content of benzine - - a known carcinogen).  It needs to be heated to a temp of 160 degrees F and pumped at pressures of 1400 psi (crude is shipped at ambient temp and at max pressures of 600 psi) to move it through the pipeline.  Current U.S. pipeline safety standards do not address that kind of transport mode.

There are three dilbit pipelines that come from the Alberta tar sands to terminals in the upper Midwest of the U.S.  They are the Lakehead, Keystone, and one other (the name escapes me for the moment).  They have a lousy safety record.  Something like 22 times the spill instance of conventional crude pipelines.  The Lakehead pipeline spilled 800,000 gal of dilbit into the Kalamazoo (Mich) river in July 2010.  Since dilbit is denser than water (unlike conventional crude which floats on the surface), it promptly sank to the bottom   (try cleaning that up).  A recent Mich Dept of Health report shows approx 60% of residents in the area of the spill now show respiratory and nervous system problems consistent with acute benzine exposure.  These poor souls will probably develop cancer in due course.

From what I&#039;ve read, TransCanada will pay top dollar to anyone who will grant them right of way thru their land.  Since the route of the XL extension is still up for grabs, and since it is so safe and will mean so many jobs, maybe we all could form a coalition to get it routed thru Ramona.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not Canada that wants to export oil to China, its Valero (and maybe the other oil companies who have contracted to take and refine the dilbit).  It&#8217;s my understanding that the terminus of the pipeline would bring the dilbit to Port Arthur, to at least one refinery owned by Valero, and maybe one other owned by a company called Motiva.  These refineries are supposed to be configured to refine the middle distillates (diesel and jet fuel).</p>
<p>In my view, the question of where the refined product will go has been made moot by the Wyden amendment  (an amendment to a highway bill currently under consideration that would give the Congress the authority to permit the pipeline).  The Wyden amendment would have required the refined product from the XL pipeline to be sold only in the American market.  Harry Reed said the Dems would vote in favor of the pipeline if the Repubs would back the Wyden amendment.  The Wyden amendment was voted down yesterday by strong Repub opposition. </p>
<p>I never said that shipping crude via tanker is safer than pipeline.  I didn&#8217;t get into the spill and safety record of dilbit because of keeping the editorial short.  Dilbit is not like conventional crude.  It is tar dissolved in a toxic solution of condensed natural gas (containing a goodly content of benzine &#8211; - a known carcinogen).  It needs to be heated to a temp of 160 degrees F and pumped at pressures of 1400 psi (crude is shipped at ambient temp and at max pressures of 600 psi) to move it through the pipeline.  Current U.S. pipeline safety standards do not address that kind of transport mode.</p>
<p>There are three dilbit pipelines that come from the Alberta tar sands to terminals in the upper Midwest of the U.S.  They are the Lakehead, Keystone, and one other (the name escapes me for the moment).  They have a lousy safety record.  Something like 22 times the spill instance of conventional crude pipelines.  The Lakehead pipeline spilled 800,000 gal of dilbit into the Kalamazoo (Mich) river in July 2010.  Since dilbit is denser than water (unlike conventional crude which floats on the surface), it promptly sank to the bottom   (try cleaning that up).  A recent Mich Dept of Health report shows approx 60% of residents in the area of the spill now show respiratory and nervous system problems consistent with acute benzine exposure.  These poor souls will probably develop cancer in due course.</p>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve read, TransCanada will pay top dollar to anyone who will grant them right of way thru their land.  Since the route of the XL extension is still up for grabs, and since it is so safe and will mean so many jobs, maybe we all could form a coalition to get it routed thru Ramona.</p>
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		<title>By: kafantaris</title>
		<link>http://www.ramonasentinel.com/2012/03/08/keystone-xl-pipeline%e2%80%94boon-or-boondoggle/#comment-231064</link>
		<dc:creator>kafantaris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 17:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Wyden Amendment makes sense. If we are risking an oil spill on our homeland from the Keystone pipeline, then we should insist that all the oil it transports stays here.  
And that the pipeline should be built and maintained by American workers -- with American made materials.  
Otherwise, we would be relegating our land to a 30 year stepping stone for Canada to transport its dirty oil to foreign markets.  
Indeed, the Wyden Amendment should be used as a model for all offshore and public land drilling.  If our country incurs the long term risk of an oil spill, then it should also get the maximum benefit. 
The &quot;free market&quot; will have to take a back seat on this one.  
Our environment ain&#039;t free -- even to the free market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Wyden Amendment makes sense. If we are risking an oil spill on our homeland from the Keystone pipeline, then we should insist that all the oil it transports stays here.<br />
And that the pipeline should be built and maintained by American workers &#8212; with American made materials.<br />
Otherwise, we would be relegating our land to a 30 year stepping stone for Canada to transport its dirty oil to foreign markets.<br />
Indeed, the Wyden Amendment should be used as a model for all offshore and public land drilling.  If our country incurs the long term risk of an oil spill, then it should also get the maximum benefit.<br />
The &#8220;free market&#8221; will have to take a back seat on this one.<br />
Our environment ain&#8217;t free &#8212; even to the free market.</p>
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		<title>By: Judas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 02:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Mr. Bergen, well said.</description>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 23:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard - I have to disagree with your assessment that all of the refined oil that would come into Texas would be exported.  Here&#039;s why:

1.  The products currently refined in Texas are primarily sold in the US.  While it&#039;s true that our domestic demand for crude has decreased very slightly in the US (kudos to us), we still import just over half of our oil and we remain the largest market for crude in the world.  It doesn&#039;t make sense to export this oil.      

2.  The heavy oil that is currently being refined at these facilities comes primarily from Mexico and Venezuela, which have either dwnidling supplies, an unwillingness to sell to the US, or both.  These supplies need to be replaced and Canada would like to be that supplier.  

3.  If Canada wants to export from Alberta to China, they will do so via their Pacific coast.  
  
And a few other points I&#039;d like to address.  First, heavy crude comes from all over the world, not just Canada.  I don&#039;t accept the premise that shipping oil via tanker is safer than via pipeline, thousands of miles of which already criscross our country.  

As for Cornell&#039;s dependability, they also released a report in 2011 that coal was better for the environment than natural gas.  I don&#039;t buy that or the jobs estimate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard &#8211; I have to disagree with your assessment that all of the refined oil that would come into Texas would be exported.  Here&#8217;s why:</p>
<p>1.  The products currently refined in Texas are primarily sold in the US.  While it&#8217;s true that our domestic demand for crude has decreased very slightly in the US (kudos to us), we still import just over half of our oil and we remain the largest market for crude in the world.  It doesn&#8217;t make sense to export this oil.      </p>
<p>2.  The heavy oil that is currently being refined at these facilities comes primarily from Mexico and Venezuela, which have either dwnidling supplies, an unwillingness to sell to the US, or both.  These supplies need to be replaced and Canada would like to be that supplier.  </p>
<p>3.  If Canada wants to export from Alberta to China, they will do so via their Pacific coast.  </p>
<p>And a few other points I&#8217;d like to address.  First, heavy crude comes from all over the world, not just Canada.  I don&#8217;t accept the premise that shipping oil via tanker is safer than via pipeline, thousands of miles of which already criscross our country.  </p>
<p>As for Cornell&#8217;s dependability, they also released a report in 2011 that coal was better for the environment than natural gas.  I don&#8217;t buy that or the jobs estimate.</p>
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		<title>By: john RAJCIC</title>
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		<dc:creator>john RAJCIC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 22:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AGREE...WHY DIG A DITCH THROUGH THE HEART OF OUR COUNTRY..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AGREE&#8230;WHY DIG A DITCH THROUGH THE HEART OF OUR COUNTRY..</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 22:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good job..Why did a ditch through the heart of our Country for no good purpose?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good job..Why did a ditch through the heart of our Country for no good purpose?</p>
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